I am willing to take your word for it, Jim.  Especially with compiled C language, since nothing more besides a chatbot contest entry or otherwise releasing SIMPLEX may be considered evidence. 

Another evidence may be a video, such as Don did for his compiled C++ language. However, that’s not fair you should have to do all that, just to be believed. Above and beyond, I am enjoying your thread for introducing the newest member or mascot, to bring good luck to Chatbots.org… Josie, the super intelligent Border Collie puppy!

John, I hope to read more about how Josie puppy learns commands, such as fetching alternatives to the frisbee, perhaps a rolled up newspaper, and a stick, etc.  Researchers have found that the Border Collie genome shows selective breeding for the gene CTNND2 which humans have for normal cognitive development.

Reference: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/nature/how-smart-dogs.html

lol@pla - newest mascot Josie. At some point I’ll start a thread for it. At the moment my plate is full. FYI, currently at about 9 months old, Josie can do things similar to the dog in the video link you posted. She can retrieve any of her approximately 20 toys by name. And she plays the “shell game”. I hide a treat under one of 3 cups, spin them around, and she never fails to get the right cup. She can also find my wife’s keys on command when they are misplaced. I’ll be building an agility course in the back yard this summer.

She will also be starting her training as a therapy dog this summer, so she can get certified to visit with patients in hospitals and nursing homes.

Dave,

I first emailed you on 22rd November last year then on the 25th November (after your reply of the 23rd) informing you
about my project and then on an unknown date, prior your UK visit, suggesting your UK “meet” be held at a certain hotel,
that just happened to be on my door-step.

My unstated hope was that it would allow me to provide you and/or those attending with a demonstration of Simplex
and provide me with the opportunity to seek advice on how I should proceed in presenting something so radical to the
world.

Unfortunately, the desired outcome did not occur. In fact, I heard/read no more about where such a “meet” was to occur.

Since then my views have matured on how best to proceed.

My primary aim was to flag to the world the existencce of Simplex. I think this primary objective may have been achieved
thanks to the good offices of Chatbot.org.

My secondary objective of identifying an entity that specialised in communicating with the outside world has not been
achieved so I will now try to rectify that.

“Communicating with the outside world” I perceive to be a separate and specialised field of endeavour to that of an “AI brain”. For that reason I again invite any representative of preferably UK universities to contact me with a view to handling that aspect.

I again thank Chatbot.org for allowing me to boradcast that appeal.

Jim.

Sadly, that meeting never took place, due to conflicting schedules of those invited. At the time, I wasn’t as aware of your project as I am now, and certain personal schedule conflicts caused your suggestion email to “fall through the cracks”. I only just remembered the email by chance, I’m afraid, and had to dig through my saved email folders to find it again (I only throw out emails that I consider to be spam, or notification emails from sources such as Facebook, so that meant a ~LOT~ of digging! I currently have roughly 315MB worth of emails in my saved email folders, with only a miniscule percentage {less than 0.01%} of them containing file attachments, so I’m sure you can imagine how fun that was to look through. ).

I think that my time here as an administrator at chatbots.org has caused me to be much more jaded than I once was, and that’s a very somber thought, indeed. Perhaps it’s time to consider whether it would be in everyone’s best interest to stay on, and if not, to potentially step down. I really don’t know, either way. I’ll give each side of the issue strong and intense scrutiny.

Dave,

It is patently apparent, even to me - as a newcomer to this site, that Chatbot.org needs you.

The idea of considering stepping down over something so trivial and unimportant is ridiculous!

You don’t need me to tell you how important your presence is to this site, how highly you are esteemed by its members how helpful you are to newcomers, how valued you are in general ... I could go on ... but I don’t need to. You must know all this.

Best wishes,
Jim.

James,

I think this just serves to illustrate how much of our collective time you’ve been wasting with your blathering. Kindly provide a credible and independently verifiable demonstration of your software, or stop wasting our time with your ridiculous claims.

8pla,

The question raised by you does suggest that we are working in the same field and have had to contend with the same
problems.

I salute you.

Dave Morton - Apr 30, 2014:

to be much more jaded than I once was

I’d call it level-headed. I believe that’s a virtue in an administrator, and it’s one of the reasons I stick around here.

Also you seriously need to get a mailbox with a search function

Et Al,

                        A CURRENT FAILING OF SIMPLEX (and other AI entities)

I hesitate in making this post but I believe this forum would be interested in a BBC radio 4 program which will unfortunately only be available on line for 3 more days at       http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04368f7

In this programme, Martin Sixsmith examines the ‘hard problem’ of consciousness and the work of psychologists such as Susan Blackmore who believe it is ‘just an illusion’.

He asks what drives us to think and act as we do, and questions the role of freewill and morality. He discovers how emotions affect our cognitive functions and examines the importance of insight, including Gestalt psychologist Wolfgang Kohler’s work with chimpanzees.

He looks at Nobel prize winner Daniel Kahneman’s ‘thinking fast and thinking slow’ model and the impact decision making has not only on individuals but also for the success of the economy and society.

Produced by Sara Parker
Series consultant, Professor Daniel Pick, Birkbeck, University of London.

My email was addressed to Series consultant, Professor Daniel Pick, Birkbeck, University of London and was sent with “tongue in cheek”!

Sir,

I find it difficult to believe that in this day and age scientists do not understand the concepts of a compiled program and an interpreted program and therefore a simple explanation of “Nobel prize winner Daniel Kahneman’s ‘thinking fast and thinking slow’ model and the impact decision making has not only on individuals but also for the success of the economy and society.”

I believe a scientific paper must exist somewhere that deals with this matter. If it doesn’t - could you please be so kind as to write one for me!!!!

The simple explanation is given in the following short rough notes that I made after listening to the program and to which you are the series consultant.

  - THE CONCIOUS AND THE SUBCONCIOUS

The subconcious can be thought of as our instintive reactions, triggered by emotions (eg fear), to a situation such as our automatic reaction to an imminent collision. Our very survival depends on our subconcious working fast and so can be thought of being as a compiled program OR STAND ALONE FUNCTION.

Our concious mind is usually not aware of our underlying subconcious decision making process. It has no need to! Unless our subconcious is working efficiently we will soon die. Everyday situations may be thought of as being a program that needs to go through an interpreter because it has to deal with numerous unpredictable variations of a problem. However, SHOULD IT BECOME APPARANT THAT OUR VERY SURVIVAL is dependendent on a faster version of an interpreted program then a procedure must ensure that that (interpreted) program itself changes form to become a stand alone function ie to become compiled and thereby becomes faster than the interpreted program. Such a program may be thought of as being instanteous in its execution and so part of the subconcious.

The subconcious makes decions that our survival depends on such as those we take to brake and swerve when driving to avert an imminent collision. Millions of years of evolution have provided the human mind with its subconcious mind. In the case of an AI system or aspiring chatbots human intervention must currently be used to promote a critical interpreted procedure to a stand alone compiled function.

This human intervention may be considered to be a current failure of Simplex. It is anticipated that future versions of simplex will handle this shortcoming.

UNQUOTE

A better understanding of Simplex can be obtained by visiting:

http://www.chatbots.org/ai_zone/viewthread/1670/

Best wishes,

Jim Curran.

Jim, wait a minute, and I’m not sure I’m reading that right.  It may just be a figure of speech, but please, don’t hesitate in making posts about a C Language project, such as Simplex. I understand C Language projects from the 1970s may not be safe for online demonstration., Someone may figure out how to download it through a webbrowser.

At the moment, I’m programming a C/C++ chatbot, and may post some C Language code up on the https://github.com/chatbots Git revision control system for chatbots.  It’ll have its own live demo page, since I don’t mind if someone downloads compiled open source.  All I have to do is figure out some method such as Java bindings to C or something. But I think that’s doable. Overall, I may need to get your advice about C Language coding, etc. 

In reading your post, I gather this was about a figure of speech, in which a metaphor for Simplex is applied to dynamically combining these two approaches to machine code translation?  If you are doing that in C Language, then it seems obvious that is a stand alone technology, which may not be easily shared over the Internet.

8pla, thanks for your post.

Whilst I am no expert on C, do feel free to ask me anything that is of concern but keep in mind that the first language I
developed was to get away from the classic pifalls of using C (such as mixing up = with ==, etc etc) and to make it more
comprehensible on reading the source code. Without doing that, I believe it would be virtually impossible for those that
follow to understand, maintain and to improve the code.

I also discovered that understanding english was so complex that I just had to develop what I believe to be a new system
for debugging that enabled me to switch on and off with a single keystroke the path taken through each function etc. Without also first doing that my project would have been doomed from the start.

I do find that to remain focused on what I am endeavourng to achieve with Simplex that I have to stop myself from looking into many areas of computing that demand and indeed warrant my interest. My hope is that at some future date, I will employ people who are experts in those fields.

I think your ‘figure of speech’ understanding/comparison is probably correct. Having said that, I am not overly confident
about the terminology I use when it comes to computing!

I currently see no reason to believe that my approach imposes any limitations on how Simplex may be used in future.

Jim.
PS Nil carbarundum desperandum ... or to be more precise Illegitimi non carborundum!

James Curran - May 24, 2014:

I also discovered that understanding english was so complex that I just had to develop what I believe to be a new system for debugging that enabled me to switch on and off with a single keystroke the path taken through each function etc. Without also first doing that my project would have been doomed from the start.

The system that you are describing was first developed in the 1950s and has enjoyed sixty years of intensive development by the best minds in the field. Nowadays it is an integral part of the Common Lisp development environment, which you should study. There are ample resources available on the web including a number of high quality open source implementations.

If you were to take the trouble to familiarise yourself with prior art it would save you an enormous amount of time. It is your failure to do that that has doomed your efforts so far.

  (defun NoMoPreLims ()

    (princ “\nEnough foreplay. Publish something”)

  )

V

If you insist on speaking Latin, please know that “et al” means “and others” and should not be used stand-alone.
Other than that, you know, I wouldn’t have referred a professor to a topic that starts the way this topic starts - or continues, and I disrecommend using caps lock, ever. If you want to be taken serious, get serious. Make a website, show some screen captures, post code samples when you’re talking about a new language you developed so that people may imagine what on Earth you are describing now.

James - I understand the reason we are not allowed to speak to this cutting edge AI is that you can’t find a way to put it online. In that case, I wonder if you have considered entering it for the annual Loebner Prize? It’s an offline, real world competition and would certainly give your work more exposure.