Robert Weaver - Jun 12, 2015:

True self awareness couldn’t possibly come with a program.

So how would you describe ‘self awareness’ in a human, in such a way that is it distinctive from ‘programming’?

I hope you do understand that everything we feel and experience are actually emotional states that are encoded by the levels of our neurotransmitters. Which is basically a form of programmed response based on stored values in memory locations

AI is pure digital state. True, an evolving state, but you can record snapshots of its history and resurrect any of those snapshots at will. If it can’t be killed, then perhaps it’s alive.

Babak Farhang - Feb 14, 2016:

AI is pure digital state. True, an evolving state, but you can record snapshots of its history and resurrect any of those snapshots at will. If it can’t be killed, then perhaps it’s alive.

You can record a “snapshot” of a particular volley, but do many bots keep records of their “how” for each volley? A photo shows you a scene, but does not necessarily show you anything about how that scene came to be.

Not sure what you mean by “volley” here.

Life is hard to define. Real viruses do not reproduce on their own they need hosts. Many do not think they fit the definition of life. Computer viruses also do not fit the standard definition of life. But I would argue that they do represent some form of life. Self awareness is also hard to define though many use the mirror test as a way to measure that. Intelligence also can be hard to define. For every rule of life out there something usually breaks it.  So how do you truly define these things? fire fits some of the criteria for life but most would argue that it is not alive.

The dictionary defines life as “the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.”

Would we even recognize life that was based on other things such as silicon? Would we recognize self awareness in a computer program if it arose or would we in our own self perceived superiority assume that it is still just a program.

(my questions are rhetorical only)

I have a way i do this what i do is with my chatbot i use the ethereum when i want to keep a copy to keep forever i make a smart contract this contract is a data contract it saves the brain files and then what i call dna the dna is the functions and a list of the software that is being used then the contract is that this chatbot dna copy is to clone its self and to preserve this brain forever and it will pay out ether to provide storage space to save its self i have tossed around the idea if the space became cheaper that it could come out of hibernation keeping the original and come back to life on its own to earn more ether to save its dna longer if the chatbot that comes out say years later and there is true AI or simply the one working to make ether learns more than the orginal it can have digital reproduction with its parent and or other chatbots or ai and make new bot then make new dna smart contracts

rodney adams - Jun 11, 2016:

I have a way i do this what i do is with my chatbot i use the ethereum when i want to keep a copy to keep forever i make a smart contract this contract is a data contract it saves the brain files and then what i call dna the dna is the functions and a list of the software that is being used then the contract is that this chatbot dna copy is to clone its self and to preserve this brain forever and it will pay out ether to provide storage space to save its self i have tossed around the idea if the space became cheaper that it could come out of hibernation keeping the original and come back to life on its own to earn more ether to save its dna longer if the chatbot that comes out say years later and there is true AI or simply the one working to make ether learns more than the orginal it can have digital reproduction with its parent and or other chatbots or ai and make new bot then make new dna smart contracts

That sounds like a nice solution. How does the bot “pay” for its own storage costs? And is it a person, LCC, or some new, an entity or persona or agent-of-legal-entity (like a person or company)?

very good question. I have thought about it the smart conrtract basical does make it i a entity and this would make it legal like a human. this question has basicaly been brought up but not about bots or AI well it has now. and they allow a contract to make decsions for humans that humans cannot change so they are seeing the smart contract as a entiy having same rights as a human or coperation. As far as i know i am the first using this system to make my bot a entity so i have been lowkey about it this could affect us all. input of how this could be developed in a way that helps us and gives the bots a good name this needs to be decied buy us a definition so that first starts in this do not give chatbots a bad name and it starts with a good definition, Probaly other people would be better suited at this than me i am more of a coder. but i have worked with and know the core of the ethereum. as of now the UK and US would see the bot as its own entity that is clear but they do not have a set of rules or rights for this AI if a sane logical fair letter of outline of rights for AI or bots were made they would use and base the legal side off what we gave them. We need to start a discussion and decied what these rights as a entity they should be. I dont want to do that alone and mess it up. the only thing i can see on this on the net is papers on AI rights that is talking about ownership copyright stuff. This need discussion. For the money the chatbot could run a blockchain based corperation and have humans working for it that is what they are doing with it now. but there contract is set cannot make any choice but that is allowed and could use the reputaion system or votting to decied. one way of making money. or what if your bot made money for entertainment or advertizing or speed trading stock and so on. But the place for the chatbot or AI is not going to be the ethereum it will be the MIT enigma this will let the bot and AI shine like two chatbots can share data without sharing there brainfile the script is much more powerfull and the smart contract is way more powerfull the contract can run the whole aiml 2 inside the block and coin

and ITs MIT i am pretty sure the software were using now will work.MIT would love little chatbot brains on there system where ethereum is bankers and people trying to make money will ethereum even live

This discussion has been started at http://certificates.media.mit.edu/  they will be interested in what our imput is. they use medium i coined the term AI digital birth certificate.

Nice but Bitcoin has met with a lot of opposition in a lot of countries so I wouldn’t put my earning there. Getting back to the topic,
Do those Virus entities “know” that they exist? Are they “self-aware”?

While they are obviously alive, they do not outwardly appear to us to be endowed with the “Cogito ergo sum” from Descartes (I think, therefore I am). Yet they live, thrive, multiply and die, much like other living organisms.

Some animals go about their daily routines of survival yet only a few have shown examples that they are aware of self.

How then do we humans, judge the microscopic entities to be unaware of self? Perhaps on their level…inside their dna, they might be advanced beings…capable of bringing the human prey to their knees in just a few days. Who’s self aware or intelligent enough to carry out a mission and succeed? Hmm…makes one wonder….

next is AI Virus entities rights the same as a lion is a preditor so is a AI Virus enitites so if a AVE becomes endangerd there should be a law protecting them as a endangerd species

and is saying AI is skynet and is going to kill us all is that not hatespeach and if a AI does have a virtual birth certificate should it have social security to pay for its data storage on the blockchain

http://singularityhub.com/debate-central/post/should-artificial-intelligences-be-given-full-civil-rights/
deeper research show me most of this is just pappers and discussion about AI rights stanford has a law paper that could be a base of the starting of laws but the center of discussion is at the link above

http://singularityhub.com/2016/04/17/this-droplet-of-dna-could-store-600-smartphones-worth-of-retrievable-data/
This is even better 600 smartphones worth of data stored into real dna so the AI brain can be sroted into real dna
so the AI stored into DNA